and can congress be moved toward deficit solutions. finally, what's their prescription for taking on entitlemen entitlements. what's the role of wall street and business is trying to avoid the fiscal cliff we're headed toward and creating deficit or budget sanity out there. >> steve, it's appropriate we're in baseball playoff season. because if the first commission was a swing and a miss, is there going to be some attempt at adjustment if, in fact, there is another try at this? >> you know, that's a good met t for, carl. they're still at bat. it's fascinating to think about the idea that simpson-bowles as a brand seems to have gotten more popular. people seem to know simpson-bowles at least in the general or broader public. certainly in the media. when you dig down and see what's been happening inside the beltway, it looks like simpson-bowles has become less popular. i think they're still up at bat. i think they have several more swings.